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In this episode, I sit down with Culby Culbertson, a Dallas-based capital markets expert, to break down how debt really works in commercial real estate—and why understanding it is non-negotiable for serious investors. Culby shares his path from oil and gas into real estate, flipping houses, underwriting multifamily deals, and ultimately structuring hundreds of millions in debt across asset classes. We unpack how lenders actually think, why debt yield and DSCR matter more than buzzwords, and how shifting interest rates, construction costs, and market cycles change underwriting in real time. Whether you’re an active operator or a passive LP trying to sanity-check projections, this conversation will sharpen how you evaluate deals in today’s environment. ⸻ Episode Highlights [0:00] – Culby’s transition from oil & gas into real estate and capital markets [3:55] – Starting with single-family flips and evolving into multifamily [5:29] – Discovering the power of the debt side of the business [7:07] – What “capital markets” actually means in real estate [9:21] – Understanding T-12s, NOI, and lender scrutiny [11:15] – Why every investor needs a second set of underwriting eyes [12:27] – The core metrics investors should understand before saying yes [14:29] – How to verify pro formas using real market data [16:09] – Calling brokers, appraisers, and operators to validate assumptions [19:32] – Red flags Culby looks for before taking a deal to lenders [20:17] – Debt service coverage vs. debt yield explained simply [21:01] – Why yield on cost can make or break a deal [25:36] – How capital sources are matched to specific deal types [29:02] – Why debt funds are more active than banks right now [30:05] – How treasury rates directly impact underwriting [32:01] – Construction costs, labor, and why deals stop penciling [34:32] – Where Culby thinks rates and the market are headed [37:13] – Diversifying beyond real estate into operating businesses [39:35] – Why banks love operating companies more than real estate alone ⸻ 5 Key Takeaways 1. If the math doesn’t work, the story doesn’t matter. 2. Debt yield and DSCR drive lender decisions—learn them or lose leverage. 3. Pro formas don’t create returns; realistic assumptions do. 4. Capital availability changes with rates, costs, and market psychology. 5. Operating businesses provide flexibility real estate alone often can’t. ⸻ Links & Resources • Culbertson Holdings – https://www.culbertsonholdings.com • Connect with Culby on LinkedIn • Mentioned Topics: Capital markets, debt yield, DSCR, underwriting, treasuries, debt funds, multifamily, operating businesses ⸻ If this episode helped you think differently about debt, underwriting, or risk in today’s market, be sure to follow, rate, review, and share the show—it helps us reach more investors who want to understand the game behind the numbers.