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In this episode of the Common Time Podcast, we’re joined by Michael Gaines, a renowned program designer known for his thoughtful, student-centered approach to ensemble design. Our conversation explores the philosophy behind strong program design, how directors can align design choices with their students and resources, and the importance of clarity, communication, and intentionality throughout the process. Michael also discusses collaboration between designers and directors, long-term planning, and how great design supports—not overshadows—student growth. Whether you’re designing a marching band program, refining your indoor shows, or simply looking to bring more purpose to your planning, this episode offers insights that will help you think more deeply about how design impacts both performance and people. Connect with Common Time Podcast: Follow us on social media at @CommonTimePodcast Join our community focused on growth here: 🔗 / commontimecollective Subscribe, rate, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! Nominate someone for a Standing Ovation: 🔗 https://forms.gle/i6aqoZxY85RMRwGP7 Fill out our anonymous listener survey: 🔗 https://forms.gle/E6VBNH2f4bWYNPFM8 Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts on this episode in the comments below or on our social media channels. Let’s keep the discussion going! Hosts: Dr. John Pasquale and Dr. David Clemmer Producers: Jessica Pasquale and Theresa Clemmer