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GeekWire brought Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb and Seattle tech veteran Charles Fitzgerald together on the phone Thursday after a guest column warning Seattle not to repeat Cleveland's past mistakes sparked a big response — including from Bibb himself. What followed was a constructive conversation about what cities should do when the economic ground shifts beneath them. Plus: a Seattle-to-Cleveland trip may be in the works. Related Links • A warning to Seattle: Don’t become the next Cleveland (https://www.geekwire.com/2026/a-warni...) Cleveland mayor responds to GeekWire guest column, calls Ohio city a ‘case study of what’s possible’ (https://www.geekwire.com/2026/clevela...) • Mayor Bibb on LinkedIn ( / justinbibb_a-warning-to-seattle-dont-becom... ) : "For decades, national narratives have framed Cleveland as a cautionary tale. But that framing misses the bigger story." Note: This is a special bonus episode. Our regular weekly show, recorded live Thursday night in Seattle's Fremont neighborhood, will be out Saturday morning. See omnystudio.com/listener (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information.