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What are the advantages of spec-driven development compared to vibe coding with an LLM? Are these recent trends a move toward declarative programming? This week on the show, Marc Brooker, VP and Distinguished Engineer at AWS, joins us to discuss specification-driven development and Kiro. 👉 Links from the show: https://realpython.com/podcasts/rpp/277/ Marc describes the process of developing an application by writing specifications, which outline what a program should do and what needs it should meet. We dig into a bit of computer science history to explore the differences between declarative and imperative programming. We also discuss Kiro, a new integrated development environment from Amazon, built around turning prompts into structured requirements. We examine the various types of documents used to specify tasks, requirements, design, and steering. Topics: 00:00:00 -- Introduction 00:02:41 -- How did you get involved in open source? 00:07:23 -- How would you describe spec-driven development 00:10:49 -- Balancing the desire to start coding with defining the project 00:13:06 -- What does this documentation look like? 00:18:27 -- Declaritive vs imperative programming 00:24:13 -- Infrastructure as part of the design 00:27:03 -- Getting started with a small project 00:29:05 -- Committing the spec files along with the code 00:31:08 -- What is steering? 00:34:17 -- How to get better at distilling specifications? 00:38:59 -- What are anti-patterns in spec-driven development? 00:41:08 -- Should you avoid third-party libraries? 00:43:16 -- Real Python Resource Spotlight 00:44:39 -- Getting started with Kiro 00:51:00 -- Neuro-symbolic AI 00:55:41 -- What are you excited about in the world of Python? 00:58:36 -- What do you want to learn next? 01:00:18 -- How can people follow your work online? 01:00:57 -- Thanks and goodbye 👉 Links from the show: https://realpython.com/podcasts/rpp/277/ Download your free Python Cheat Sheet here: https://realpython.com/cheatsheet Free Python Skill Test with instant level + learning plan: https://realpython.com/skill-test Want to learn faster? Become a Python Expert with unlimited access to 5,000+ tutorials, videos, and exercises: https://realpython.com/start 🐍 Become a Python expert with real-world tutorials, on-demand courses, interactive quizzes, and 24/7 access to a community of experts at https://realpython.com ▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰ 🐍 Start Here → https://realpython.com/start 🗺️ Guided Learning Paths → https://realpython.com/learning-paths 🎧 Real Python Podcast → https://realpython.com/podcast 📚 Python Books → https://realpython.com/books 📖 Python Reference → https://realpython.com/ref 🧑💻 Quizzes & Exercises → https://realpython.com/quizzes 🎓 Live Courses: https://realpython.com/live ⭐️ Reviews & Learner Stories: https://realpython.com/learner-stories ▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰