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In this episode of Make It Perfect / makeitperfectshow I spend time with painter and tattooer Shawn Barber / shawndbarber for a wide-ranging conversation about art, presence, ego, and community — while we both paint in real time. We filmed this episode on the roof of the Stile Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. As the city stretches out behind us, Shawn quietly begins painting a portrait of me, setting the tone for a conversation that’s subtle, grounded, and deeply human. Shawn talks about living in the present, finding happiness through making, and why tattooing is one of the most intimate art forms there is — an exchange of time, trust, vulnerability, and care. We get into why tattooing is often misunderstood as “lowbrow,” despite its emotional depth, history, and impact, and how it functions as a kind of folk art rooted in real human connection. We also explore: Tattooing as an intimate, psychological exchange Community vs. industry in the tattoo world Ego, validation, and being a conduit rather than a personality Art as a marker in time — like music that imprints memory Vulnerability, social anxiety, and fear of judgment Why painting can feel scarier than tattooing The importance of staying loose as an artist over time This episode is about kindness, presence, and what it means to make art with people, not just for them. Make It Perfect is a series where painting and conversation happen simultaneously — allowing the artwork to become a record of the emotional and psychological movement in the room. If this resonates, consider subscribing and sharing with someone who cares about art, tattooing, or the inner life of creative work. 02:30 — Living in the present: not rehearsing the past, not worrying about the future 04:10 — “I do things that make me happy”: making pictures on people / about people 05:20 — Finding a generous art community + sincerity as a chosen path 06:40 — Why tattooing feels deeper than most art 07:55 — Tattooing as intimate work: proximity, trust, and the body 09:10 — Why tattooing is labeled “lowbrow” (and why that’s wild) 10:10 — Tattooing as folk art + the bridge into the “high art” world 11:00 — Shawn’s “Lowbrow” tattooer painting show + community-based gallery energy 12:10 — Friendship, conflict, and reconciliation: “we didn’t talk for 2 years” 13:15 — “Year of the Snake”: tattoos + paintings + bringing clients into the show 14:20 — Tattooing as a viable living: tangible craft + earning through art 15:15 — Generational shift: clients want artists who understand their culture 16:15 — What a tattooer really offers: kindness, thoughtfulness, helping people through it 17:10 — Tattooing as exchange: ideas, time, presence 18:05 — Lyle Tuttle: tattoos as “stickers on your luggage” + memory markers 19:05 — Tattoos like music: time travel, imprint, body memory 20:00 — Ego + validation in tattooing: conduit vs “being somebody” 21:05 — “I don’t need acknowledgement”: success, progress, self-worth 21:45 — Social anxiety at conventions: paranoia, sobriety, fear of judgment 22:55 — Vulnerability as power: saying the thing people are afraid to say 23:40 — Why tattooers fear making paintings (even though tattooing is permanent) 24:30 — “My ego doesn’t need it to look great”: permission to make bad work 25:10 — Community vs industry: money vs connection + roots of the craft 26:05 — Getting looser again: tightening over time + returning to early freedom Make It Perfect is a documentary style show about you. Filmed on location at Stile Hotel in downtown Los Angeles Created and hosted by Ryan Rado - / ryan_rado Filmed/Edited by / danielvfx__ Make It Perfect in collaboration with Lotus Building Group, Nashville TN / lotusbuildinggroup