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Workforce instability in disability services isn’t a mystery — but it is often misunderstood. In this episode, Nate sits down with Libby Vinson, CEO of the New Jersey Association of Community Providers (NJACP), to unpack why workforce stability doesn’t come from one-time fixes, short-term incentives, or chasing the next solution — and why leadership plays a bigger role than most people realize. Drawing from her background in advocacy and her first months leading a statewide provider association, Libby shares what she’s seeing across organizations: what separates providers who are barely surviving from those creating real stability, why prevention matters more than reaction, and how leadership presence, culture, and systems thinking shape workforce outcomes. This conversation is especially relevant for executive directors, HR leaders, and program managers who are tired of silver bullets — and ready to think differently about what actually helps staff stay, grow, and succeed. TIMESTAMPS 01:09 - Why workforce challenges are no longer theoretical — they’re shaping daily leadership decisions 04:47 -Leadership vs. “fixes”: why quick solutions keep falling short 08:33 - How Libby’s advocacy background shapes how she sees workforce challenges 12:50 - What changes when leaders spend real time in programs with staff and individuals 17:17 - What meaningful workforce investment actually looks like (beyond wages alone) 22:06 - Why data, prevention, and consistency matter more than reaction 27:57 - Early patterns Libby is seeing between struggling organizations and more stable ones 32:25 - The quiet cost of burnout, churn, and constant crisis management 35:30 - Why workforce stability is a leadership responsibility, not just a policy issue LEARN MORE New Jersey Association of Community Providers (NJACP): https://njacp.org/ Free Resource — 7 Quiet Danger Signs Your Supervisors Are Burning Out Their Teams: https://iddleader.com/burnout