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Pastoralism is increasingly seen as a problem in the drylands: perceived as old-fashioned, unproductive and fundamentally incompatible with modern-day developments. This episode of Dynamic Drylands shows that this is far from true: pastoralists are adaptable, resilient and innovative. Ken Otieno, executive director of the Resource Conflict Institute (RECONCILE), discusses how pastoralists' way of managing natural resources is increasingly competing with new developments in the drylands—and how governments can work with them. And Mark Kaigwa, founder and CEO of research and creative agency Nendo discusses pastoralists' social media and phone use. With the UN’s International Year of Rangelands and Pastoralists beginning in 2026, and increasing threats to pastoralists' ways of life, the role of pastoralism in modern-day Africa is more timely than ever. Listen to this episode on: Acast | Amazon Podcasts | Amazon Music | Spotify. For show notes, visit www.sparc-knowledge.org/dynamic-drylands-podcast or find us on X (@SPARC_ideas). Host: Bola Mosuro. Contributors: Ken Otieno and Mark Kaigwa. Dynamic Drylands is produced by the research-to-action programme Supporting Pastoralism and Agriculture in Recurrent and Protracted Crises (SPARC). SPARC is managed by Cowater International in partnership with the International Livestock Research Institute (ILRI), Mercy Corps, and ODI Global. This material has been funded by UK aid from the UK government; however the views expressed do not necessarily reflect the UK government’s official policies.