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In this episode of Yours for the Making Robin Johnson speaks with Robin Redmile-Gordon, Director of Ichi-Coo Park, about building a life shaped by creativity and long term thinking. Robin shares how transforming Russ Hill Farm into a vast garden and living artwork helped him stay sane while running a global IT company. The conversation moves through craftsmanship collaboration and why clear briefs unlock exceptional work from skilled people. Robin offers a blunt critique of modern education and exam driven learning, argues for apprenticeships rooted in real work, and explains why holistic learning matters more than qualifications. Robin also discusses AI as a practical tool for thinking diagnosis and productivity, shares his experience of living with terminal blood cancer and the role of Turkey Tail mushrooms, and outlines ideas for a future where skills, purpose and creativity matter more than bureaucracy. This episode challenges conventional thinking and defends making as a meaningful way to live. Key Topics Covered Building Itchy Park as a living artwork Long term collaboration with craftspeople Value over cost in bespoke work Clear briefs and creative freedom Gardening as a form of art Escaping stress through making and landscape Apprenticeships and skills based learning Failures of exam focused education Holistic learning and curiosity driven teaching Teaching through real work not theory AI as a practical tool for thinking and diagnosis Critique of fear around artificial intelligence Living with terminal blood cancer Turkey Tail mushrooms and blood health Purpose identity and creating meaningful work Clip Fest and community making events Enjoying the show? Leave a review, follow us, and share the episode with a fellow maker. New episodes every week with artists, designers, craftsmen and creators from around the world. Yours for the Making with Robin Johnson is the podcast that celebrates creativity, craftsmanship, and the art of making. Hosted by Robin Johnson — founder of Johnson Bespoke and BBC presenter on The Travelling Auctioneers, The Restorers, Woodland Workshop — this podcast dives into the stories of makers from all walks of life. From woodworkers, metal fabricators, and chefs to artists, designers, and hobbyists, each episode offers real conversations with the people behind the things we love. Whether you're a hands-on creative, aspiring artisan, or simply curious about how things are made, this podcast offers inspiration, insight, and practical wisdom. Expect behind-the-scenes stories, lessons in process and passion, and a celebration of the maker movement in all its forms. Subscribe now and follow Yours for the Making wherever you listen to your favourite podcasts. Key Moments: 00:00 Ichi-Coo Park and its origins 02:26 The heart shaped island story 05:19 Working with skilled craftspeople 07:57 Value over cost in making 12:14 Building to protect sanity 17:25 Apprenticeships and skills gaps 27:03 Holistic learning and curiosity 38:48 AI as a working tool 51:36 AI and health diagnosis 56:19 Living with blood cancer 1:06:39 Skills across generations 1:23:18 Clip Fest 2026