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In recent days, the defeat of a ballot initiative in Minneapolis, itself a response to George Floyd’s murder there, has provoked a new round of reflection on the failure of reform agendas, but the world has decades of experience with this. The last several decades have seen serious, well-financed, often popular reform efforts achieve relatively little, including those promoting community policing, evidence-based and data-driven crime reduction strategies, independent oversight and other forms of accountability for misconduct, cultural/brand makeovers, use of new technologies of surveillance and control, and greater transparency. I have watched such efforts play out with initial enthusiasm and high-level support in the US, UK, South Africa, Ukraine, India, Brazil and elsewhere. They all fail to a substantial degree: either failing even to be implemented, or failing to achieve what the reformers expect to flow from the reforms. Is there something structural about policing, or policing in democratic societies, that repeatedly frustrates these reform efforts? Can we identify what those structural obstacles might be, and, if so, can we imagine ways to overcome them? Speaker: Chris Stone Discussant: Jonny Steinberg Chair: Kate O'Regan