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I got the two 10” discs about 82 from John A at Soul Bowl. I was on one of my regular trips down there with Ady P and had spent up my budget for the trip, in there was the first copy of The Empires, the white test pressing of Geno Washington - Rat Race and a bunch of other things, at the end of the day, we totalled everything up and I paid John. Now he had this awful habit of then pulling out a few things, playing them to you and saying ‘what do you think of this’, he played the two discs and I said ‘fantastic John, but I can’t afford them’ he smiled and said ‘that’s OK you can owe me for them’ and so I went into the famous credit book for the first, but not last time !!! They cost me £600 for the two, which was about 3 month’s wages back then. I remember driving home with Ady beaming from ear to ear and discussing which tracks to cover up. So on the way home we came up with Johnny & The Mondells for the The Empires and The Detroit Five for the Geno Washington. John told me at the time I got them that he had got them from the Leaner Brothers in Chicago. One disc had ‘Baby What Has Happened/Win You Over’ and the other ‘All Of My Life/???[Ballad]. As soon as I got home I got ‘All Of My Life/Win you over’ cut onto a 7” acetate. The 10” discs were blank with no info on the discs, but titles written on the sleeves, common for acetates, I have many like that. I didn’t cut ‘Baby What Has Happened’ as I already had a copy. A week later these and the two cover ups hit the decks at Stafford and the rest is history, as they say. When Stafford finished I sold a large part of my 60’s collection back to John A including these two acetates, he then sold them onto a guy in Ipswich. I did try and buy them back in the early 90’s, but he said he didn’t want to sell them. After selling them I did carry on playing the 7” dub, my choice, right or wrong !!!!, and still have it to this day. A couple of years ago John M contacted me to tell me he had them and was going to auction them and could I help authenticate them which I happily did. As for Tim B’s comments on his CD, he never asked me about the discs, but did make comment that the naming of the group for these tracks was spurious, well clearly not, especially as one of them had ‘Baby What Has Happened’ on one side. The story has a twist in the tail, Butch rang me to ask me about the discs, as he was interested in bidding on them. A week later he told me he had won them and I thought no more of it. A couple of weeks later, he rang me again to tell me the discs were no good for DJing, it transpires that he took them to Lifeline, having not played them at home first. When he dropped the needle on ‘All Of My Life’ the sound was too low a level for the sound system and he had to take it off half way through. After a moments pause I said, ‘Now I remember why I had them cut onto a 7” dub plate’