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Most people have no idea how important plumbers really are. We’re told doctors save lives. We’re told success comes from a degree. We’re told starting over at 40 is “too late.” But what if all of that is wrong? In this episode, I sit down with Vinny Arnese from Lixil America to uncover a truth almost no one talks about: Plumbers save more lives than doctors — and the world would fall apart without them. We also dive into why so many adults are walking away from office jobs, choosing purpose over burnout, and finding real stability in the Skilled Trades. If you're thinking about changing careers, frustrated with corporate life, or curious about how plumbing actually becomes a life-saving profession… this conversation will hit you hard. WHAT YOU’LL LEARN IN THIS EPISODE • The truth behind “plumbers save more lives than doctors” • Why thousands of adults are switching to the trades at 30, 40, 50+ • What the Trade Up Program is actually doing to help new workers • How apprenticeship works (and why it beats college debt) • The role of Gen Z, schools, and counselors in shaping the future • Why working with your hands delivers purpose you can’t find behind a desk CHAPTERS 00:00 Why plumbers save more lives than doctors 04:52 Starting over at 40 — real stories of adults who made the leap 10:41 Inside the Trade Up Program — Lixil’s hands-on pathway into skilled careers 18:22 Plumbing apprenticeships — earn-while-you-learn and long-term advancement 25:55 Why trades education starts with awareness and exposure 32:14 Purpose through hands-on work — creativity, craftsmanship & problem-solving ABOUT VINNY ARNESE Vinny Arnese is the Senior National Sales Trainer at Lixil America, representing American Standard, GROHE, and DXV. He leads the nationwide Trade Up Program, helping students and adults find real, meaningful entry points into the Skilled Trades. RESOURCE LINKS LinkedIn → / vinny-arnese-7a71006b Lixil Website → https://www.lixil.com/ 📱 FOLLOW ANDREW BROWN FOR MORE TikTok → / andrewbrowntrades Instagram → / andrewbrowntrades LinkedIn → / andrew-brown-b1736a5 Website → https://www.andrewbrown.net 📣 WORK WITH ANDREW Keynotes • Event podcasting • Campaigns that actually reach Gen Z Enquiries → https://www.andrewbrown.net SUPPORT THE SHOW If this episode brought you value, consider supporting the show here → https://andrewbrowntrades.kit.com/pro... Every dollar helps us bring more unfiltered conversations from the trades straight to you.