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In this engaging conversation, Mike Griffin and Ellen Duvall explore the multifaceted world of ceramics, discussing Ellen's journey from a reluctant clay artist to a passionate creator. They delve into the challenges of teaching art, the importance of community, and the value of experimentation in finding one's artistic voice. Ellen shares her personal experiences with life challenges that shaped her artistic growth, emphasizing the significance of embracing failure and learning from mistakes. The conversation highlights the limitless possibilities in art and the importance of authenticity in creative expression. In this engaging conversation, Ellen Duvall and Mike Griffin explore the multifaceted world of pottery and art. They discuss the journey of discovering different mediums, the joy of teaching, and the importance of embracing imperfections in their work. The dialogue highlights innovative techniques in pottery, the significance of community and collaboration, and the balance between personal well-being and artistic pursuits. Ellen shares her insights on artistic growth, authenticity, and the necessity of showing up and learning from failures. ceramics, art, creativity, teaching, personal journey, artistic voice, community, experimentation, learning, mistakes, art, pottery, teaching, creativity, imperfection, community, personal growth, artistic techniques, clay, workshops