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In this RedMonk conversation, Chris Corriere, Founder of Ecology Computing and an organizer of Devopsdays Atlanta, shares his unique perspective on socio-technical systems, complexity in computing, and the future of DevOps practices with Kate Holterhoff. They discuss how ecological thinking influences technology and how mapping tools like Cynefin and Wardley Maps can help navigate complex environments. Show notes: https://redmonk.com/videos/chris-corr... Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest Background 00:27 Chris Corriere's Ecological Perspective on Technology 02:11 Socio-technical Mathematics and Complexity 02:40 Mathematics in Computing and AI 04:32 AI, Agency, and Autonomy in Systems 05:42 Math Skills for Developers and Data Scientists 06:57 Platform Engineering and Source Control 09:09 Open Source Projects and Enterprise Work 11:04 The Role of Git and Version Control 12:23 Greenfield Projects and Tech Debt 13:35 Understanding Cynefin and Wardley Mapping 18:54 What is Cynefin? Its Origins and Meaning 19:54 Chaos, Disorder, and Platform Salvage 21:38 Mapping the Tech Environment with Wardley 25:41 Mapping Space Technologies and Quantum Computing 27:02 DevOps Days Atlanta and Future Themes 29:30 The Future of AI, Education, and Community 31:13 Closing Remarks and Contact Info