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In this fireside chat, RareSkills founder Jeffrey Scholz sits down with Mooly Sagiv, CEO of Certora, to go deep on the philosophy, practical uses, and future of formal verification in smart contract development. This isn’t a surface-level explainer—it’s a real, technical conversation for devs who already in Solidity (or Rust/Solana!) and are ready to level up their security guarantees. Highlights from the talk: • What formal verification actually does (and doesn't do) • The difference between "good specs" and "good code"—and why specs often come first • Examples of real bugs Certora found after top auditors missed them • Why proving inductive invariants is hard—but essential • The limits of fuzzing vs. the strengths of formal verification • How reachability proofs work (even for permutation logic) • A roadmap for learning spec writing—from unit test analogs to high-level properties • Why modular code is easier to verify than spaghetti Solidity • How protocols like Compound, MakerDAO, Uniswap, and Morpho are using Certora today • Thoughts on formal verification for Solana and ZK-based systems • Can LLMs help write specs? @certora