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Robert Hartmann isn’t just practicing criminal defense—he’s helping lawyers understand what it actually takes to build, sustain, and grow a real-world law practice in an industry that’s changing faster than ever. As a seasoned criminal defense attorney and author of Making It Rain, Robert has built his career at the intersection of legal skill, relationship-building, and business strategy. His perspective is grounded in real courtroom experience and years of building referral networks, developing client trust, and adapting to shifts in how legal services are delivered. Known for his candid, practical approach, Robert has become a respected voice on law practice growth, networking strategy, and the human skills that technology can’t replace. In this episode of Legal Keys, Robert joins host Tim Sawyer for a grounded, experience-driven conversation on what it really means to build a sustainable legal career today. From referral-driven growth and emotional intelligence to the role AI should (and shouldn’t) play inside a law practice, Robert shares why the lawyers who win long-term are the ones who combine technical excellence with relationship mastery. The conversation also explores how younger attorneys can accelerate their careers by developing business skills early—rather than waiting for opportunities to come to them. What we cover: • Why great lawyers still struggle to build sustainable practices • How referrals and relationships drive long-term growth • Why networking is a core professional skill — not optional • Where law school falls short on real-world business development • Why emotional intelligence strengthens client trust and retention • Where AI helps lawyers work faster — without replacing judgment • Why AI should act as a multiplier for legal expertise • How younger lawyers can build independent, resilient careers earlier Where to find Robert & Hartmann Law Firm: Website: https://www.hartmannlawfirm.net/ LinkedIn: / robert-hartmann-565a5919 YouTube: • How Should I Dress for Trial Book: Making It Rain -- Coming Soon