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World Rugby says the game’s in a “strong position”, but Eddie Jones and Ewen McKenzie see the exact opposite. If the Shape of the Game was meant to be a turning point, why does it feel like nothing changed? David Pembroke pulls apart the official statement from the London meeting, with Eddie calling it a governance joke and Ewen questioning why key on-field issues keep getting dodged. The conversation hits TMOs, red cards, scrummaging, and the need for more 15-on-15 time, then pivots to Ireland vs England and what England do next, plus Super Rugby talking points like Brumbies vs Blues, Fijian Drua vs Hurricanes, and what the kicking numbers tell us. There’s also Germany’s rugby broadcast update, Rugby Europe blowouts, and a straight-shooting discussion about why transparency and faster decisions matter. Ask Eddie Jones and Ewen McKenzie anything! Fill out the form below 👇 https://tinyurl.com/rugbyunityquestions 👈👈 👉 Want more from Rugby Unity? Subscribe to our Substack for exclusive content, blogs, behind-the-scenes insights, and full podcast access — all in one place: https://rugbyunitypod.substack.com/ In this episode: 00:00 🧨 Shape of the Game: “no law changes” shock 01:20 🟦 Brumbies vs Blues yellow card swing debate 02:00 📜 David reads World Rugby statement in full 02:40 🎙️ Eddie Jones: Shape of the Game reaction 03:20 🧩 TMO scope, law alignment and can kicked down the road 04:50 🏛️ Mark Robinson review confusion and stalled decisions 06:00 🏢 Governance dysfunction and 200 people in the room 07:30 🇬🇧 RFU council reform vs World Rugby structure 08:40 🇩🇪 Germany flag football growth and rugby threat 11:40 🔍 Global season transparency and Gus Pichot questions 13:00 🏴 Ireland vs England: turning point or deeper issues? 17:20 🧬 England DNA debate, George Ford and new 10 shift 23:00 🗣️ Eddie Jones on communication across cultures 26:30 🇫🇷 Ewen coaching in French and cultural nuance 29:40 🇩🇪 Germany rugby on free-to-air TV boost 32:40 🌍 North vs South combined Test series fantasy 37:50 ⏳ Best rugby era: amateur vs early 2000s balance 41:20 💥 Scrum depowered: Ewen breaks down lost craft 45:10 📚 Eddie’s Book Club: Attacking the Space by Sam Larner 47:40 🦵 Super Rugby kicking trends: Reds, Drua, Chiefs, Crusaders 51:00 📈 Rugby Europe big scores and The Big Three preview 53:00 🪟 Transparency, 15-on-15 time and fixing the product 58:00 👋 Wrap: governance reform, golden period hope and Third Voice call Call to action: 📌 Should World Rugby change laws now to protect 15-on-15 time? 📩 Got a question? Email us: info@rugbyunity.com.au 🔔 Subscribe to never miss an episode! 📲 Follow us on socials → TikTok, Instagram, X, Facebook & LinkedIn @RugbyUnityPodcast Thanks to ElevenLabs for providing a grant to Rugby Unity so that we can use their world leading software.