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Mahfud MD and Gita Wirjawan discuss how we can build a country through law. Also touching on topics related to corruption, the position of law in democracy, the principles of Islamic legal justice, to education and world order. Mahfud MD is a Professor of Constitutional Law who has served as Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs; Chief Justice of the Constitutional Court; Member of the House of Representatives; and Minister of Defense. Additional notes and references for this episode: https://sgpp.me/eps214notes #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #MahfudMD ------------ Other episodes you might like: • Tanda Engkau Belum Siap Memimpin - Su... • Jusuf Kalla: Begini Tugas Wakil Presi... • Tumbuhkan Nalar, Berdayakan Otak | En... ------------ Explore and be part of our community https://endgame.id/ ------------ For collaboration and cooperation, contact us here: https://sgpp.me/contactus ------------ Sections 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:51 - Origins the word ‘MD’ in Mr. Mahfud’s name 0:05:25 - Mahfud MD’s life guidelines 0:06:12 - Changes in ideals: religious teacher, judge, lecturer 0:09:52 - Turning point in life to politics 0:15:34 - Seeing Islamic law in Pancasila 0:22:18 - It is forbidden to establish a state like the Apostle 0:29:52 - The paradox of the form of the Islamic state in the past and present 0:35:15 - The problem of IQ and social mobility in Indonesia 0:39:28 - Democracy that is parked wrongly 0:48:30 - “Democracy without law is wild and anarchic” 0:52:13 - The relationship between law enforcement and economic growth 1:00:45 - Don’t forgive corruption 1:10:49 - Education, teachers, and the legal basis for the importance of education 1:19:45 - International law, state borders, multipolarity 1:23:56 - The endgame Mahfud MD