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Winn Collier, author of A Burning in My Bones and Director of the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination, joins Jason to reflect on the life and legacy of Eugene Peterson. Through heartfelt storytelling and pastoral insight, Winn shares how Eugene’s life, writings, and presence have shaped his own journey—and what it means to embrace a holy and human calling as a pastor. In this wide-ranging conversation, they explore the slow, faithful way Eugene mentored pastors, how the church can rediscover its soul, and why inefficiency might be essential to spiritual formation. 🎧 What You’ll Hear in This Episode: 00:00 – An opening encouragement for pastors 01:02 – Winn’s life, family, and role at the Eugene Peterson Center 02:22 – The story behind A Burning in My Bones 03:57 – Meeting Eugene through letters and shared longings 06:11 – Convincing Eugene to agree to the biography 08:22 – How Eugene’s example shaped Winn’s view of pastoring 13:01 – Defining the pastoral vocation: holiness and humanity 18:34 – Eugene’s pastoral imagination and biblical foundations 21:00 – Lessons from planting and pastoring All Souls 23:30 – Surrendering control and confronting idolatry 27:40 – Leading through the pandemic with honesty and presence 30:33 – Prioritizing direct relationship over polish 31:19 – Reading Eugene’s journals and his prayer for sainthood 33:06 – Eugene’s ministry of presence and hospitality 35:59 – His ministry to pastors and critique of megachurch culture 41:11 – Eugene’s focus on the seduction of crowds 42:44 – Discipleship as slow, relational, and sacramental 45:54 – What’s next for Winn and where to start with Eugene’s writings 48:08 – Final words of encouragement for weary pastors 🔑 Key Takeaways: What Eugene Peterson taught about the vocation of pastoring Why holiness and humanity must be held together in leadership The danger of efficiency in discipleship How presence and prayer define faithful mentorship Encouragement for pastors feeling weary or isolated 🎙 About Winn Collier In addition to A Burning in My Bones, Winn Collier has authored four books (Restless Faith, Let God: The Transforming Wisdom of François Fénelon, Holy Curiosity, and Love Big, Be Well) and contributed to numerous other volumes. He has written for multiple periodicals including Christianity Today, Christian Century, Relevant, and the Washington Post. A pastor for twenty-five years, Winn was the founding pastor of All Souls Charlottesville in Virginia. He now directs the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination at Western Theological Seminary in Michigan. He holds a PhD from the University of Virginia, where he focused on the intersection of religion and literary fiction. Winn and his wife, Miska, a spiritual director, live in Holland, Michigan, with their two sons. 🔗 Links & Resources: 🌎 Website: https://www.thepastorate.ca 📸 Instagram: / thepastorate.ca 🎙️ Podcast: https://www.thepastorate.ca/podcast 🎁 Support The Pastorate: https://www.thepastorate.ca/give 📖 Explore A Burning in My Bones: https://waterbrookmultnomah.com/books... 👍 Like & Subscribe Join us for more conversations that strengthen pastors for the renewal of the Church in Canada.