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Sarah Paine EP 3: How Mao Conquered China (Lecture & Interview)

In this episode, Prof Paine looks at Maoist China. How did Mao go from military genius to peacetime disaster? How did the patriotic hero inflict history’s worst catastrophe on China? How can someone shrewd enough to win a civil war outnumbered 5 to 1 make decisions like "let's have peasants make iron in their backyards" and "let's kill all the birds"? Lecture is followed by a Q&A with me. The first nationwide famine in Chinese history; Mao's lasting influence on other insurgencies; broken promises to Chinese minorities and the peasantry; what Taiwan means. Huge thanks to Substack for hosting this! Sponsors: Today’s episode is brought to you by Scale AI. Scale partners with the U.S. government to fuel America’s AI advantage through their data foundry. Scale recently introduced Defense Llama, Scale's latest solution available for military personnel. With Defense Llama, military personnel can harness the power of AI to plan military or intelligence operations and understand adversary vulnerabilities. If you’re interested in learning more on how Scale powers frontier AI capabilities, go to https://scale.com/dwarkesh. To sponsor a future episode, visit https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/adver... Sarah's Books I highly, highly recommend both "The Wars for Asia, 1911–1949" https://www.amazon.com/Wars-Asia-1911... and "The Japanese Empire: Grand Strategy from the Meiji Restoration to the Pacific War" https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Empir... Links Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/sarah-p... Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3APeQ3L Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Timestamps (0:00:00) - Intro (0:00:47) - Disclaimer (0:03:13) - Clausewitz, Sun Tzu, Thayer Mahan, Corbett (0:09:31) - The 1911 Revolution and the Civil War (0:14:27) - Clausewitz on Mao (0:15:47) - Mao the propagandist (0:24:35) - Mao the social scientist (0:29:51) - Mao the military leader (0:40:17) - Mao the feminist (0:49:34) - Mao the grand strategist (0:58:12) - Yin and Yang analysis (1:02:14) - Q&A begins (1:05:16) - Why was Mao worse than Stalin? (1:11:42) - Yalta satisfied no-one (1:14:50) - Corrupt allies, ideologue enemies (1:16:29) - US indifference to the Nationalists (1:25:35) - Imagining a Nationalist mainland (1:28:21) - Communists cling to power (1:32:02) - Xi and Mao (1:38:13) - Making victims victimize themselves (1:42:15) - Journalists' naivete (1:46:16) - Visiting China then and now