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Excommunication of Leah and Cody Young Pt. 5 - Mormon Stories Ep. 1102

Join us now on Mormon Stories Podcast as we interview Leah and Cody Young about their recent excommunication. The backstory: A year and a half ago Leah and Cody began learning about the problems with the LDS church’s truth claims. This launched them and their family into a faith crises, leaving them without support or community. They attempted to obtain support from their Mormon bishop and stake president, but neither were able to help them. A few months later, Cody and Leah started a Facebook support group for questioning and post-Mormons in the Columbus, Ohio area. Within a short amount of time their bishop and then stake president called them in and delivered them an ultimatum: disband the Facebook support group, or face excommunication. Leah and Cody did not feel that they could ethically do this. Both meetings with their stake president were recorded. Later in this process Leah and Cody decided to tell their story on Mormon Stories Podcast, along with their brilliant 15 year old daughter Brinley. A few weeks ago Cody and Leah received a letter informing them of a disciplinary council. Cody and Leah attended their disciplinary council on Sunday April 14th. In this interview we will discuss: – The events that led up to the disciplinary council. – The audio recording of the disciplinary council. – Their reactions to the disciplinary council. --------------- ***We are 100% donor funded! Please click here to donate to keep this content coming!: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?d... --------------- Timecodes: 00:00 John giving first thoughts. Welcoming everyone back 01:08 First response Leah and Cody to listening to it again and all the comments. Disillusionment. Leah proud of Brinley. 03:54 Over 1,294 comments on FB! John reading a few. 05:50 John reading criteria for apostasy 06:18 "Repeatedly acting in open opposition to the church" 07:14 Cody beliefs the church has acted unjustly. Being a voice 08:36 Podcast episode being an issue and how much time it was discussed. Cody's post on FB. 11:05 John reading rest of criteria for apostasy, ruling them out. Church is not complying with it's own definition 12:30 John being surprised about MSP being the subject. Dozens of people who were featured on MSP who never had disciplinary actions 14:35 Cody responding to that. Losing the roulette of how rules are interpreted. 15:20 Earlier meetings about support group, not about MSP. Bait and switch 16:30 SP tells apostasy is anyone who doesn't believe in the church. Many PIMOs 18:10 Also lots of people starting a support group who weren't punished. 19:30 People's life improving after a faith crisis is uncomfortable 20:52 Leah's shoutout mormontransitions podcast, and John helping navigate the faith crisis 22:28 John talking about other arguments the church gives, SP doesn't make the case. 24:28 Cody also thinking that definition of apostasy wasn't met 26:48 Brinley's letter and testimony. Copy will be made available. 31:07 Is it a kangaroo court? No dialogue. 32:08 Leah thinks the people in the council are human too. 34:06 John doesn't think there is love in a council. 35:11 Council members also victims. Systems not people 35:42 Adam's testimony. 36:50 Cody's and Leah's testimony. 38:12 John's opinion about disciplinary councils. 43:35 Cody explaining they will appeal 45:25 Discussing dysfunctional process 50:47 Analogy: eating something else than friends is taken as a personal attack 52:21 Being labeled as dangerous. "Don't associate with apostates." 55:10 After leaving the council Cody and Leah were hopeful. Prosecuting attorney is judge though. 57:30 Cody and Leah telling about the visit of the SP with the decision 1:00:00 John tells about effect of his own excommunication on his kids. 1:01:44 Leah's hope for her kids that standing up for your beliefs is important 1:06:00 Thoughts about having gone through it? Not sorry for having chosen the harder way. More people needed to turn the tide 1:11:49 Cody's and Leah's message to family and friends 1:15:00 John expressing his amazement about the fact that there still are people watching and listening 1:16:04 Leah and Cody feeling welcomed and embraced by new community 1:18:45 Closing remarks