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🎙️ Welcome to Episode 07 of ShelfLife — the CPG podcast by Phyllo, where we uncover the untold stories behind the world’s most iconic brands and the people who build them. 👀 See what you can build with Phyllo: https://www.getphyllo.com/ In this episode of Shelf Life, Shubham Tiwari and Akhil speak with Jinghuan Liu Tervalon, a consumer insights and strategy leader with experience across brands like Dollar Shave Club and Coca-Cola. The conversation explores how consumer insights turn into real business decisions, the differences between US and Chinese CPG markets, the role of retail and segmentation, and why human judgment still matters in an AI-driven world. 🎯 Key Topics Discussed: 1. How consumer insights move from data to real decision-making inside modern CPG organizations 2. Key differences between mature markets like the US and growth-driven markets like China 3. Why product differentiation matters in saturated categories, while behavior change drives emerging markets 4. The role of segmentation—and why activation matters more than the framework itself 5. How retail and shopper insights reshape brand strategies beyond DTC thinking 6. Where insights often break down: synthesis, storytelling, and communication 7. The real (and limited) role of AI in consumer insights versus human judgment 8. Why trust, influence, and narrative-building are core skills for insights leaders Chapters: 00:00 Intro and guest introduction 01:22 US vs China CPG markets: maturity, penetration, and adoption 03:40 Product differentiation in saturated markets 05:10 Behavior change and usage occasions in emerging markets 07:20 Explaining consumer insights in simple terms (“measure twice, cut once”) 09:40 Turning insights into action inside CPG organizations 12:30 Consumers, marketers, and irrational decision-making 15:10 Influence, persuasion, and trust in insights work 18:10 Brand tensions: health vs indulgence, aspiration vs accessibility 21:30 Why niche positioning can limit growth 24:00 Early signals of category health: penetration and share 27:10 Segmentation frameworks vs real-world activation 30:00 Translating consumer insights into shopper and retail insights 33:20 Where insights break down: synthesis and storytelling 36:10 AI in consumer research: summarization, speed, and limits 39:30 Synthetic data, automation, and quality risks 42:10 Human-centered research under tight timelines 45:30 Data overload and building a single cohesive story 48:50 Marketing attribution and last-touch bias 52:10 Why big brands still invest in awareness advertising 55:30 Frequency, recall, and diminishing returns 58:20 How insights travel inside organizations 1:01:30 Leadership, diplomacy, and influencing decisions 1:04:40 Detecting category shifts before the data shows it 1:07:10 Trade shows, challenger brands, and future signals 1:08:52 Rapid fire and closing thoughts 🔗 Connect with Jinghuan Liu Tervalon on LinkedIn: / jinghuanliu 📢 Learn more about Phyllo: 🌐 Website: https://getphyllo.com 📩 Email: contact@getphyllo.com 📱 Beacons: https://beacons.ai/getphyllo 🔔 Like, comment, and subscribe for more brand stories that go beyond the shelf. 🔔 #cocacola #cpg #dollarshaveclub #brandgrowth #shelflife