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In part two of this episode of In The Nest, Psychotherapist Jodie sits down with Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, leading autism researcher and Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge, to explore how autism research has evolved over the past four decades - from deficit-based models to the neurodiversity paradigm. Together, we discuss the evolution of autism science, common misconceptions about autistic people, and what modern research tells us about empathy, mental health, and support for autistic individuals. In this conversation we explore: • How early autism research focused on deficit-based models • The shift toward the neurodiversity paradigm • Theory of Mind and cognitive vs affective empathy • Damian Milton’s “Double Empathy Problem” • Misconceptions about empathy in autistic people • Increasing recognition of autism in girls and women • Concerns about overdiagnosis • Suicide risk, anxiety, and autistic mental health • Genetic research in autism and concerns about eugenics • The importance of better support systems for autistic people This conversation bridges Professor Simon Baron-Cohen’s research, our clinical perspectives, and my lived experience as a mother to three autistic children - exploring nuance, controversy, and progress in how we understand autism. A brief note about a comment I made in the episode: After watching the video back, I felt it was important to add this statement below. "I’m aware that my comment about ABA may evoke strong feelings for families whose children have received ABA therapy. My intention is never to criticise or shame parents who made decisions with the best information available at the time. I also recognise that many practitioners entered this work with good intentions and that approaches have evolved over time. If my words came across as dismissive or hurtful, I am sorry. My aim is always to advocate for autistic wellbeing and be an ally to the autistic community, while also holding compassion for the difficult decisions families and professionals have had to make historically." #autismacceptance #neurodiversity #theoryofmind #neurodivergentkids #neurodivergent