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Octopus Energy has gone from market entrant to market leader in just 10 years. Greg Jackson, chief executive and co-founder is at the forefront of this business success story. The secret sauce? It’s nothing to do with energy - it’s the Kraken software that links the company to its customers and suppliers. So how did he do it? Why does he think 'spaghetti stacks' of ancient software are what’s holding so many businesses back? And what plans does he have to float Kraken? From memories of his failed career as a game designer, why corporate life can be addictive - and why he thinks business leaders should be optimistic in a challenging world, Dom and Katie hear his lessons from the frontline. 00:00 Introduction: The rise of Octopus Energy 03:12 Greg Jackson’s coding roots and first computer 07:45 The problem with "spaghetti stacks" of legacy software 13:10 Why Octopus had to become an energy supplier to prove its tech 18:40 Survival during the 2021 wholesale gas price spike 24:50 How Kraken software creates market efficiency 31:40 The future of Kraken: Splitting the company and flotation Presenters: Dominic O’Connell, columnist and business presenter, Times RadioKatie Prescott, Technology Business Editor, The Times and host of the Times Tech PodcastGuest: Greg Jackson, CEO and co-founder, Octopus EnergyProducer: Miriam Hall Senior Producer: Julia Johnson Executive Producer: Kate Ford Photo credit: Getty Get in touch: thebusiness@thetimes.com Read the best of our journalism: https://www.thetimes.com/ Subscribe to The Times and The Sunday Times YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/subscription_... Find us on Facebook: / timesandsundaytimes Find us on X: https://x.com/thetimes Find us on Instagram: / thetimes