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Francis Fukuyama is a Stanford political scientist and the author of (among many other works) The End of History and the Last Man—arguably the most influential work in political science of the past half-century. If “History” is driven by technology, how does Fukuyama now view biotech and AI—and their potential to usher in a new, post-human history? These are difficult questions, but I wanted to ask Frank about topics that are both important and (at least for AI) on which he has spoken little until now. We also get a sneak peek at his forthcoming book and discuss his ideas on bureaucracies, delegation, and state capacity. SPONSORS This episode is sponsored by the Fundrise Innovation Fund. Check out their portfolio for yourself and open an account today at https://fundrise.com/joe. (Carefully consider the investment material before investing, including objectives, risks, charges, and expenses. This and other information can be found in the Innovations Fund’s prospectus at Fundrise.com/Innovation. This is a paid sponsorship.) This episode is also sponsored by 80,000 Hours, a non-profit that helps people find fulfilling careers that do good. To explore their free, in-depth resources and career guide, head to https://80000hours.org/joewalker. SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST ► / @josephnoelwalker LISTEN ON: SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7N2v... APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast... TRANSCRIPT: WEBSITE: https://josephnoelwalker.com/francis-... FOLLOW ME ON: TWITTER: / josephnwalker TIMESTAMPS (00:00:00) - Introduction. (00:00:41) - Are new biotechnologies restarting History? (00:03:52) - Why Fukuyama thinks life extension is a bad idea. (00:06:47) - Which biotechnology is most likely to drive transhumanism? (00:07:34) - Political orders are downstream of technology. (00:10:31) - Would Fukuyama have denied political rights to Denisovans or Neanderthals? (00:13:56) - Transhumanism and longevity's unintended consequences. (00:18:55) - Assortative mating vs. gene editing. (00:20:00) - How should we adjudicate disagreements between different sets of natural rights? (00:24:03) - How is Fukuyama thinking about AGI and ASI? (00:27:31) - Granting AIs political rights? (00:37:23) - Best political order for a society of non-thymotic AIs? (00:40:44) - Could an ASI design a better political order than liberal democracy for today's world? (00:44:08) - Why Asian cultures are more permissive of biotechnology. (00:47:04) - Do LLMs represent a victory of American soft power in China? (00:49:17) - If humanity is made economically redundant, where will megalothymia be channelled? (00:51:58) - Can Trump and Musk's relationship endure their mutual megalothymia? (00:53:23) - A future without work? Kojève's 1959 trip to Japan, & the early-modern landed gentry. (01:00:41) - Hegel vs. Kojève: wars after history? (01:02:26) - What more would have to happen for China to falsify the end of history thesis? (01:03:39) - What Fukuyama learned from having his thesis chronically misunderstood. (01:06:37) - Fukuyama's advice for public intellectuals who want sustainable careers. (01:08:52) - A sneak peek at Fukuyama's next book. (01:10:32) - Delegation in armies and bureaucracies. (01:15:48) - Why Fukuyama thinks DOGE was misguided. (01:17:53) - The relationship between talent, delegation and state capacity.