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Can travel actually be a tool for ethical conservation, or is it just about the "animal selfie"? In today’s episode, Clarissa sits down with Cassandra Ray, a zoologist, conservation educator, and expedition leader who is also a vital part of the Worldpackers team. Cassandra shares her journey from growing up in Ohio, where working with wildlife felt like an impossible, "elite" dream, to leading expeditions in biodiversity hotspots like Costa Rica and South Africa. She discusses how she used volunteering to bridge the gap between science and empathy, and why she believes travel should be about contribution, not just consumption. In this episode, we cover: Breaking the "gatekeeping" in wildlife conservation. The difference between surface-level tourism and ethical, hands-on impact. How Worldpackers can be a gateway to a non-traditional career in science and sustainability. Navigating uncertainty and finding resilience in the wild. Why "chilling out" might be the best travel advice you’ll ever get. Follow Cassandra’s conservation work: @casanimaladventures Start your own ethical adventure at Worldpackers.com Subscribe to Podpackers for more stories of travel and transformation.