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Joshua Cutchin joins us once more to discuss his newest book Fourth Wall Phantoms, where narratology meets the occult. Josh explains how supernatural phenomena borrow from our media and reflect it back at us: They appear as pop culture figures or what he calls fictional incursions – a transgression of boundaries between worlds, also known as metalepsis. It’s characters on Greek vases who see beyond their frame and look directly at us (monsters, the dead, sleepers, those in altered states of consciousness, and deities). These interactions with stories can become dialogues between ourselves and the Imaginal that allow us to take ownership of our life. 0:00 Intro: Metalepsis – breaking the illusion between the media and the audience 5:30 Interacting with fictional characters and the ontological shock 13:23 Fictional incursions: Metalepsis is to literature what the paranormal is to life 15:54 Trauma causing metaleptic breaks, going from Realization to Authorization as pivot point in our culture, the role of disclosure, and reality running on sacrifice 24:04 The only way out is through: Before reaching outside the frame and begin to rewrite stuff we have to realize we are inside the comic book 29:06 Retrocausality, premembering, precognition, and time loops 39:32 Spirits are made of stories: Empowering the Imaginal via magical practice 44:41 The pH of disbelief: Folkore in superposition and how uncertainty enables authentic paranormal phenomena 49:09 Historiola: Writing ourselves into the myths, what UFOlogists, parapsychologists, and cryptozoologists could learn from occultism, Tim Renner’s new Philip experiment, and what Predator and Bigfoot have in common 1:00:38 Josh’s own experiences writing his novel Them Old Ways Never Died 1:15:30 New stuff coming up with Kevin Cann, Barbara Fisher, books in the works … and what story Josh is co-authoring with 1:23:26 Characters on Greek vases looking directly at the viewer and Xibipíío: The indigenous perspective Joshua Cutchin: https://www.joshuacutchin.com/ Reicher & Stark 058 – Mutanten & Mystiker: • 058 - Mutanten & Mystiker. Jeffrey Kripals... ►► Visit our Homepage: http://www.reicherundstark.at/ ►► Share your experiences and ideas in our Facebook group: / 156186924911069 ►► Don’t want to miss an episode? Subscribe to our channel! We’re looking forward to your comments and questions! ♥ Support Reicher & Stark: ♥ Bitcoin: 13LZRKwUMdhmNyS6Hv78BU6UNYM8nqMgLU Dash: XgUnLgCpvbRAgZLEk75i7aMS5frKE1qqgn Ethereum: 0x5bfD1D40E66d2B9588af89C7198ae5B45c897e78 Litecoin: LhBouLbihBgGRaASxstBWMdgKre8xZeomt ♥ Support us on Patreon: ♥ / reicherundstark ★★★ Learn Magic: ★★★ https://www.magieschule.at/ ►► Reicher & Stark recommend (advertisement – as an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.): Joshua Cutchin, Fourth Wall Phantoms. Reflections on the Paranormal, Narrative, and Fictions Becoming Fact: https://amzn.to/4oZpTQb Jack Hunter, Deep Weird. The Varieties of High Strangeness Experience: https://amzn.to/466WYRQ Pascal Jousselin, Mister Invincible. Local Hero: https://amzn.to/4mMf1Uu Chidambaram Ramesh, Embodied Imaginations. Fictional Characters Making Experiential Crossings into Real Life. An Unusual Phenomenon: https://amzn.to/4mzJZyQ Eric Wargo: Time Loops. Precognition, Retrocausation, and the Unconscious: https://amzn.to/4fZUDg1 Eric Wargo, From Nowhere. Artists, Writers, and the Precognitive Imagination: https://amzn.to/4gadlla Martin S. Kottmeyer: https://amzn.to/47UuHQJ Joshua Cutchin, Them Old Ways Never Died: https://amzn.to/4mQxdfx Mike Clelland, The Unseen: https://amzn.to/45TpkyB Liam Gavin, A Dark Song: https://amzn.to/47fOHgu Joshua Cutchin, Ecology of Souls. A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal - Volume One: https://amzn.to/3F98zCl Joshua Cutchin, Ecology of Souls. A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal - Volume Two: https://amzn.to/3iOOppL Joshua Cutchin, The Ecology of Souls Companion: https://amzn.to/3heBTiD Joshua Cutchin, A Trojan Feast. The Food and Drink Offerings of Aliens, Faeries, and Sasquatch: http://amzn.to/2fAN967 Graphic design: Jörg Vogeltanz