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Politically "independent" used to mean you were moderate. Not anymore. It's no secret that Americans are politically divided, as faith in political parties erodes. In the past, so-called "independent" voters were likely shifting between Democrats and Republicans. But now, especially Gen-Z, are pushing in new directions, far from the center. In this episode, we explore how "independent" became a rallying cry for change on the left and the right. Danielle Kurtzleben (https://www.npr.org/people/409798174/...) guest hosts with Elena Moore (https://www.npr.org/people/732818534/...) , a political reporter for NPR, and Dr. Omar Ali (https://www.uncg.edu/employees/omar-ali/) , a professor of African American political history at UNC & author of In the Balance of Power: Independent Black Politics and Third Party Movements in the United States (https://www.ohioswallow.com/978082142...) . Want more episodes on political culture? Check out these episodes: Woke is BACK! ...really? (https://www.npr.org/2025/12/05/nx-s1-...) MAGA has a DEI policy. Just ask Nicki Minaj. (https://www.npr.org/2026/02/13/nx-s1-...) The Swoletariat: a history of leftist fitness (https://www.npr.org/2026/02/04/nx-s1-...) Support Public Media. Join NPR Plus. (https://plus.npr.org/) Follow Brittany on Instagram: @bmluse (https://www.instagram.com/bmluse/?hl=en) For handpicked podcast recommendations every week, subscribe to NPR’s Pod Club newsletter at npr.org/podclub (http://npr.org/podclub) . To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/1798784...)