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John E Mack and Budd Hopkins are without question the foremost authorities on the alien abduction syndrome. Both state that Budd introduced the alien abduction syndrome topic to John Mack, a Harward Professor of Psychology, in the late 80’s whith Budd Hopkins realizing how widespread the phenomena was, and the level of psychological trauma and damage it was causing. It was time to call for help. At first John Mack was, after interviewing over 100 subjects, realized incredible consistencies between the experiencers accounts, as well as their disposition regarding the experience, shame, fear, bewilderment and sheer terror, while realizing how ridiculous their story would sound to an outsider, in particular a clinical psychiatrist. John says those behavioral reaction elements actually support the reality of their claims, in addition to the consistent themes. This rare dialogue between the two, before an audience at John Hancock Hall, Boston Massachusetts, in the late 1980’s, hosted by Christopher Lyndon is a glimpse at their interactions, and on the subject from the perspectives of the two. It also underscores the differences in their opinion about the priorities of importance regarding the topic. Budd Hopkins believes the trauma is most important to address whereas, perhaps counterintuitively, John Mack despite would like to focus on what can be learned about those causing these experiences to happen. It’s a fascinating time capsule.