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Bob and @josh_anderson_ftw discuss what it means when you—or someone on your team—decides an organizational leadership role isn’t the right fit anymore. They separate formal leadership (titles, org charts, compensation) from the non-negotiable leadership of being a great teammate and influencer, arguing you can step away from a title but shouldn’t abdicate positive impact on the team. They emphasize anchoring on the joy and rewards of building teams, treating these transitions as rare in healthy cultures, and approaching them with humility, grace, and a focus on retaining valuable people while supporting the new leader. Chapter List: 00:00 The Joy (and Weight) of Leadership — Setting the Frame 00:40 Welcome to the Show: When Leadership ‘Isn’t for Me’ 02:19 Bob’s Story: Stepping Down to Agile Coach (and What It Took) 06:18 The ‘Try It’ Leadership Experiment + Building an Escape Hatch 08:32 The Stigma of ‘Going Down’ — Titles, Perception, and Career Risk 11:37 Org-Chart Leader vs. Everyday Leader: You Can’t Abdicate Influence 18:14 Leader of Leaders: Spotting Breaking Points and Coaching Through Sticky Spots 19:55 Why This Should Be Rare: Great Culture Anchors on Joy and Growth 23:05 Making the Transition Work: Humility, Value, and Supporting the New Leader 30:37 Wrap-Up: Don’t Treat It as Failure + Final Banter and Sign-Off