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I've spent most of my career trying to be the standard bearer—the person who sets the tone for excellence, professionalism, and getting things done right. Then I became a manager. And two of my direct reports had applied for my job. They didn't tell me at first. I found out later, after months of subtle resistance. They were brilliant and delivered excellent work. But they had no interest in letting me lead them. They had their own rhythm, their own systems, and their own ideas about who should be in charge. I was the title. They were the influence. That experience broke open something I hadn't fully understood: leadership isn't just about competence or good intentions. It's about navigating people—people who don't always want what you want, who define "good work" differently than you do, and who may never respect your authority no matter how much you earn it. In this episode of Return to Moore "Workplace Chronicles: Navigating Difficult Colleagues", I sit down with Jessica Todtman, a friend and one of the most capable executives I've ever worked with. We talk about what it really means to navigate friction at work—the messy, real version. If you've ever felt stuck between doing your job well and dealing with people who make that nearly impossible, this conversation is for you. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:06 - "Navigating Difficult Workplace Dynamics" 05:38 - "Connecting Through Leadership Retreats" 07:09 - "Jessica: A Standard of Excellence" 11:16 - "Understanding Resistance to Change" 13:37 - "Workplace Challenges and Introspection" 17:33 - "True Leadership vs. Titles" 20:25 - Leadership Struggles with Team Dynamics 23:52 - "Friction Doesn't Equal Negativity" 28:40 - "Systems Thinker with Practical Limits" 33:16 - "Clear Meeting Goals Matter" 34:30 - "Meeting Purpose and Facilitation Essentials" 39:55 - "Governance: New York vs. Nevada" 43:15 - "Work Culture Challenges in Nevada" 46:15 - Understanding Role in Organizations 50:17 - "Leadership, Support, and Perspective" 54:20 - Navigating Difficult Colleagues Insights 55:47 - "Shark Tank's Unfair Deals" 57:04 - Outro Quotes: "At some point, you've been someone's difficult colleague. Growth starts when you're willing to see that."- Jessica Todtman "Professional excellence means honoring the work and moving it forward—even when the people around you make it hard."- Jonathan Moore Key Takeaways: Introspection is Your Secret Weapon Embrace Friction—It’s Not Always Negative Systems Make or Break Collaboration Professionalism Means Respecting the Position, Not Just the Person Safe Spaces Matter—But So Do Boundaries Know Your ‘Why’ and Communicate It Clearly Don’t Ask Questions You Don’t Want Answered Above All, Stay True to Professional Values Connect with Jessica Todtman LinkedIn: / jessicatodtman Connect with the Host: LinkedIn: / dr-jonathan-moore Website: https://returntomoore.com/ Produced by Heartcast Media http://www.heartcastmedia.com