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Season 1 | Episode 6 In this episode of Bell Curve, Jason and Mike are joined by Ben Forman, the founder of ParaFi, to discuss the demand for on-chain debt. We explore DeFi's capital markets, the massive opportunity of DAO-driven borrowing and the future of on-chain lending. What opportunities are created by programmable loans? Will DAOs issue debt to lower their cost of capital? Where will the demand come from? Tune in to learn these answers and more! - Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:15 What’s Missing in DeFi Capital Markets? 14:23 Programmable Loans & Debt Covenants 22:35 Ribbon DAO’s Bond Issuance 28:33 Permissioned Pools, DeFi’s TAM and CeFi Frontends 35:38 The ETH Staking Yield Opportunity & Securitizing MEV 41:37 On-Chain DAO Borrowing 44:36 Maker DAOs End Game, RWAs and Importing TradFi Yields 50:49 The Fixed Rate Debt Catalyst 56:57 Speculation and Borrowing Demand 01:07:17 Post Interview - Follow Mike: / mikeippolito_ Follow Jason: / jasonyanowitz Follow Bell Curve: / thebellcurvepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3R1D1D9 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3pQTfmD Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3cpKZXH - Resources: Ribbon's Bond Issuance https://bit.ly/3rhgEOR Ben Forman's email ben.forman@parafi.com - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.