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In the first episode of ball don’t lie, Kish is joined by Jon Mackenzie from The Athletic for a sharp, honest debate on one of football’s oldest arguments: Aesthetics vs Results. Sparked by recent Arsenal discourse, the conversation digs into whether modern football fans care too much about how the game looks — and whether that obsession is fair, outdated, or unavoidable in today’s game. From Brazil 1970 to Marcelo Bielsa, Declan Rice vs Hatem Ben Arfa, and the rise of chaos over structure in modern football, this episode explores how culture, analysis, nostalgia, and personal experience shape the way we watch and judge the sport. Please comment below on who you would like our next guest to be! 👍 Like 📺 Subscribe 🗣️ Join the debate Follow us on all socials @beyond90ftbl 00:00 – Ball Don’t Lie: Aesthetics vs Winning 06:30 – Is Football Entertainment or a Results Business? 12:45 – Bielsa, Arsenal & When “Good Football” Stops Winning 18:20 – Players, Bias & What We Actually Find Beautiful 25:55 – Clunky vs Elegant: The Players We Love Anyway