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Mike Graham interviews Henry Hill, columnist for The Sun. They discuss the atmosphere and political significance of the ongoing Tory Party Conference. Henry Hill, reporting from Manchester, describes the event as noticeably quieter and less attended compared to previous years, particularly last year’s conference, which was boosted by a recent leadership contest and the surprise calling of an election. He notes that the current event feels more like an "opposition conference," suggesting a diminished sense of power and corporate interest. Mike Graham highlights apparent divisions within the party, noting that when Kemi Badenoch introduces "tougher" policies, such as on immigration or leaving the ECHR, she faces immediate pushback from party members. Both Mike and Henry critique the Conservatives’ long-standing failure on immigration control, which Henry argues is the core reason for the party’s distance from public opinion. He also highlights the broken promise under David Cameron to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands. #kemibadenoch #tories #labourparty