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Narcissists don’t just take what they want—they dismantle their targets in the process. In this episode, Dr. Z welcomes filmmaker and author Mark Vicente to discuss the dark realities of narcissistic abuse and its psychological aftermath. Known for his work on HBO’s “The Vow” and his upcoming documentary “Empathy Not Included: The Narcissist’s Playbook,” Mark sheds light on the manipulative behaviors of narcissists, the vulnerabilities they exploit, and the emotional fallout experienced by the survivors of their abuse. Mark reflects on his personal journey of healing after being entangled with NXIVM, offering profound insight into how narcissists mirror their victims' deepest desires and vulnerabilities as a means to control them. He also unpacks the chilling reality of how some narcissists knowingly cause harm—and sometimes even revel in it. Dr. Z and Mark touch on the broader implications of narcissism in society, from media manipulation to cultural denial of the harm narcissists can cause. Whether you’re seeking to understand narcissistic abuse or rebuild after trauma, this episode offers a compassionate and empowering perspective. Quotes "One of the things I learned as I began learning about what narcissism is and is not, I recognize that there was a certain place that people bumped up against. Most normal empathic people cannot imagine that these people exist." (04:47 | Mark Vicente) “The thing about psychopaths that's so interesting is that they analyze us very unemotionally. and they learn about the way our data works, so to speak." (16:15 | Mark Vicente) “People sometimes can't tell, they think it's excitement and it is, but sometimes that excitement is tinged with fear and desperation. And I always say when you're in that state with somebody, especially at the beginning, run. Because your cognitive thinking is going offline.” (20:26 | Mark Vicente) “When you're mapping the mind of an insane person, it does damage to you. And when you're mapping a psychopath, it's very confusing. It starts to do a lot of bad things to you internally, psychologically.” (26:11 | Mark Vicente) Links Connect with Mark Vicente: https://www.markvicente.com/ / markvicente https://x.com/markvicente https://www.empathynotincluded.com/ / empathynotincluded Podcast: WTF is on my Mind?! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... YouTube Channel / @markvicente7 Connect with Dr. Z: https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/ https://www.zgrouptherapy.com/ / dr.z_psychologist / dr.z_psychologist / @drjaimezuckerman Get my FREE breathing exercise here: http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/newsl... Register for my on demand virtual courses here: http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/works... Order my workbooks! Find Your Calm / Find Good Habits http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/books Shop my new Mindfully Messy hoodie here: http://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/apparel Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm --- Dr. Jaime Zuckerman is a licensed clinical psychologist and national expert in narcissistic abuse. She is a highly sought-after relationship coach for those experiencing narcissistic abuse, as well as the sole owner and founder of The Z Group, a private therapy practice specializing in anxiety, depression, and complex relationship dynamics. Dr. Z is the author of two interactive workbooks and host of Next Up: Narcissism, a podcast that tackles the hard questions about narcissistic abuse, relationships, and mental health. She is an accomplished and active media contributor, as well as an influential social media personality in the mental health space. Get my FREE Breathing Exercise here https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/news... Next Up: Narcissism podcast episodes our every Friday https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/podcast To schedule one-on-one coaching or to work with me visit https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/ Check out my on demand workshops https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/work... The Z Group is now accepting patients nationwide (some state exceptions). To schedule a virtual therapy appointment https://www.zgrouptherapy.com/new-pat... My Books Find Your Calm: A Workbook to Manage Anxiety https://amzn.to/3Y6b2s9 Find Good Habits: A Workbook for Daily Growth https://amzn.to/4eYWf8V Follow me Instagram @dr.z_psychologist: / dr.z_psychologist Facebook @drjaimezuckerman: / drjaimespinellzuckerman TikTok @dr.z_psychologist: / dr.z_psychologist X @drzpsychologist: https://x.com/DrZPsychologist Pinterest: / drzpsychologist My website https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/ Shop my merch https://www.drjaimezuckerman.com/apparel