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Chris Lucian and Austin Chadwick discuss all things agile and product development from a mob programming perspective. In this episode Chris and Austin discuss second order effects in systems thinking and the dramatic impact it has on product development and mob programming. Every person in a system who makes a decision has a desired positive effect. However, what are the side effects of that effect and what are the side effects of the side effects? Are they negative or positive? Experiences and suggestions are shared in regards to the second order effects of "efficient" code reviews, sprints, metrics, estimates, working solo, etc. Podcast Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... https://play.google.com/music/m/Dotsg... https://mobmentalityshow.podbean.com/... References: https://trello.com/c/gk3EmUSd/286-sec... Thanks to G-SLiK ( / g-slik ) for the intro and outro music. Chris Lucian is the Director of Software Development at Hunter Industries and a founder of mob programming. https://www.chrislucian.com/p/chris-l... Austin Chadwick is a Mob Programmer at Hunter Industries and is a passionate agilist and craftsman with experience in several roles (e.g. coach, developer, tester, scrum master, business analyst). www.linkedin.com/in/austin-chadwick-3a58151a4 We would love your feedback and ideas for future episodes! Please add comments to the video or reach out to us on Twitter ( / mob__mentality & / christophlucian . All statements and opinions expressed by Chris and Austin are solely their own and do not represent the views of any company.