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In the early 1930s, a new movement threatened to smash the established ruling party, the Conservatives, as well as the Labour party. Led by a charismatic leader, capable of brilliant oration, the British Union of Fascists attracted many to their cause, most notably aristocrats and even royalty. Joining our editor today is Alec Marsh, journalist and author of Rule Britannia, along with historian of the period Martin Pugh, author of Hurrah for the Blackshirts. They discuss it's causes, the great counter-factual of whether they could have take control, and whether there are modern day fascists around. Martin & Alec Links Hurrah for the Blackshirts (https://amzn.to/481CKIh) Rule Britannia (https://amzn.to/47YhUJW) Alec on X/Twitter ( / alecmarsh ) Ollie Links Ollie on X/Twitter ( / olliewcq ) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices)