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In this episode, we sit down with Dr. David Thomason, executive director of the Kozmetsky Center, to talk about the intersection of civics, entrepreneurship, policy, and real-world leadership. Dr. Thomason shares stories from growing up in small-town Texas, finding his path through academia, and working inside state legislatures and public policy. The conversation moves from mentorship and career pivots to what lobbying really looks like behind the scenes, why belief matters when you’re “selling” ideas, and how creativity and humor play a role even in serious political spaces. We also dive into his entrepreneurial side, including running a kayak business, building programs that connect universities to their local communities, and reimagining what civic engagement can look like when it’s practical, accessible, and people-focused. This episode is about learning by doing, keeping the main thing the main thing, and creating spaces where people can think, talk, and solve problems together. 🎧 Full episode available also on Spotify