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What really makes great storytelling work in the modern thriller genre? In episode 169, I sit down with two powerhouse thriller authors — Brad Thor and Ward Larsen in a conversation about COLD ZERO, their latest thriller. Centered on shared experience, military service, discipline, and a relentless respect for the craft, our conversation explores why authenticity matters in thrillers and how deep genre knowledge — from tradecraft to aviation — creates books that feel cinematic without losing emotional weight. What really stood out to me is how aggressively Brad and Ward lean into collaboration as a competitive advantage. These are two seasoned writers who didn’t just co-author a novel, they merged similar work ethics, complementary skills, and a shared belief that the best stories come from trust, humility, and putting in the work. Episode Sponsors: https://store.veteranmadeproductions.... https://www.gopills.com/ -- use "VM15" at checkout for 15% off your order. https://www.bubsnaturals.com/ -- use "veteranmade" at checkout for 20% off your order. https://www.truemadefoods.com/ -- use "VET" at checkout for 15% off your order. https://www.rucksox.com/ -- use "VETERANMADE15" at checkout for 15% off your order. https://bravoactual.com/ -- use "Veteran Made" at checkout for 15% off your order. Intro Song composed and produced by @cleod9music489 SOCIALS: / veteranmade.ck / realbradthor / wardlarsenbooks