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The billionaires have taken over, and Bernie Sanders isn’t having it. In this fiery interview with Kara Swisher, Sen. Sanders talks about his Fighting Oligarchy tour, his new book "Fight Oligarchy," and why he believes America is already living under billionaire rule. At 84, Sanders is still rallying massive crowds in red and blue states alike, pushing everyday Americans to take power back from the ultra-rich. He and Kara discuss his headline speech at the October 18 “No Kings” rally in Washington, D.C., the growing influence of billionaire donors on the Democratic Party, and how he’s backing progressive and independent candidates in key midterm races — all while confronting Trump’s authoritarianism and the ongoing government shutdown. 00:00 Introduction 01:00 Bernie reflects on the “No Kings” rally and historic protests 1:38 Comparing today’s democracy fight to past American revolutions 04:00 Fear, division, and the authoritarian playbook of Trumpism 07:00 What is the point of the No Kings protests? 09:58 Kara and Bernie debate tech billionaires, Elon Musk, and the word "oligarchy" L 18:42 Solidarity and shared humanity: Sanders’ moral argument 19:15 Turning protest energy into lasting political change 20:58 Why working-class voters turned to Trump – and how Democrats could win them back 26:03 Why Democrats should stop caring about wealthy donors 30:00 Should Bernie start a third party? 33:11 Why Trump is better at talking to voters than most Democrats 35:19 Bernie on AI, his proposal for a “robot tax," and a shorter work week 39:50 Congress’s failure to regulate Big Tech 41:48 Why America needs a political revolution 43:50 Trump’s authoritarian moves and the risk to U.S. democracy 45:53 The government shutdown and the health care fight 50:16 Bernie on AOC: Is she his heir? 51:12 The future of the Democratic Party and the rise of progressive candidates 53:00 Is Bernie going to run again? Subscribe: https://goo.gl/FRleYo Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/42ntT7X... FOLLOW US Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/onwithkaras... TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@onwithkaraswi... LinkedIn: / kara-swisher-b7213 Threads: https://www.threads.com/@onwithkarasw... Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/onwithkarasw...