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You’ve probably heard us talk about “properties having babies” when investors use a cash out refi to buy new properties with no new capital. But what does that actually look like when you’re the investor making the call? In this episode, show host Pablo Gonzalez opens up his real-life portfolio to walk through the decision to do a cash-out refinance, and whether the short-term drop in cash flow is worth the long-term growth. JWB co-founder, Gregg Cohen, will unveil a new tool he just developed that helps visualize the trade-offs investors face when they refinance like: ➕ What changes immediately in your monthly cash flow ➕ How much quicker it gets investors to their goal ➕ When it wouldn't make sense to do it If you’ve been sitting on equity and wondering what to do next, this behind-the-scenes breakdown will help you figure out if a cash out refi could work for you! Watch NOW! Chapters: 00:00 Cash-Out Refi & “Property Babies” — What We’re Building Today 00:44 Meet the Hosts + Why Visualizing Your Plan Matters 02:43 GC’s Year-in-the-Lab Tool: Turning Dormant Equity Into Faster Goals 03:47 Real Client Journey Setup + Summit Update & Important Disclaimer 05:07 Pablo’s 3-Property Origin Story (2021–2022) & Funding Moves 06:18 Profit Breakdown: Appreciation, Paydown, Taxes… and Cash Flow Reality 07:48 Eviction, Vacancy, and the Long-Game Mindset (Community Support) 12:12 The Pac-Man Principle: Why Appreciation Drives Most Wealth 14:00 Introducing the Passive Income Planning Tool (Beyond a Snapshot) 15:26 Define the Goal: $10K/Month Net in 15 Years + The 3 Portfolio Phases 17:30 Where Pablo Stands Now: 43% Acquisition Phase, $270K Equity, $366/mo 21:26 Future State & Next Move: Funding a New Property Baby ($60–$75K) 25:58 15-Year Upside: Cashflow Growth + Massive Equity Gains 26:57 “Go Find the Money”: Cash-Out Refi Snapshot & Portfolio Cashflow Impact 30:08 Which Properties to Refinance? Balancing Rates, Pullout Size & Cashflow 33:51 The New Passive Income Plan: 4 Properties, Less Cashflow Today, More Later 37:06 Is $63K Enough to Buy Another Rental? Down Payment Math & Inventory Options 38:02 Small vs. Big Homes: Appreciation, Capital Allocation & Workforce Housing 43:34 Live Q&A: HELOCs vs Refi, Taxes/Insurance Included, and “Mobilize the Gold Mine” 47:30 Summit Next Steps: Portfolio Manager Sessions, Phase 2 Debt Paydown & Community Wrap-Up Stay connected with us! Schedule your strategy call at chatwithjwb.com. Not Your Average Investor https://www.jwbrealestatecapital.com/... JWB Real Estate Capital https://www.jwbrealestatecapital.com/... Get social with us: Subscribe to our channel @notyouraverageinvestor Subscribe to @JWBRealEstateCompanies 🌐 Facebook Group - / rentalpropertyinvesting 📸 Instagram - / nyai_community 📸 Instagram - / jwbrealestatecompanies ---- 🤦🏻♀️ The Disclaimer Section The information contained herein is provided “as is” for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to serve as investment advice or for trading purposes. Any investment suggestions contained herein are solely related to real estate investments and not securities. Our full disclaimer is available for your reading pleasure at: https://jwbrealestatecapital.com/disc... #realestateinvesting #nyais #propertyinvestment