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In this episode of Legacy, I sit down with one of the most revered All Blacks captains of all time — Ian “Kirky” Kirkpatrick. Kirky wasn’t just a great player — he helped define what it meant to wear the black jersey. A fearless leader, a phenomenal athlete for his era, and a man whose mana still carries enormous weight in our game today. We talk about his rise from Poverty Bay to the All Blacks, the era of hard, uncompromising rugby, the responsibility of leading New Zealand, and the values that shaped both his captaincy and his life beyond the field. For me, this series is about capturing the stories and wisdom of the people who built our game — before they’re lost. There’s a Māori saying I love: “If you want to have hope and faith in the future, stand on the shoulders of the past.” That’s what Legacy is all about. I hope you enjoy this kōrero as much as I did. Ciao – JK, All Black 854