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What if the biggest blocker to your agile transformation isn't resistance, but apathy? In this episode, Ivan Gekht, CEO of Gehtsoft, joins Peter and Dave to talk about what agile actually looks like in high-stakes, regulated environments where failure has real consequences. No fluff, no frameworks for the sake of frameworks, just practical insights on making agile work when it really matters. Ivan shares why he looks at retrospectives first (not sprint planning), why learning without outcomes is just expensive theater, and how his "dinner party framework" completely reframes the scope vs. time vs. budget conversation. Plus, the Theory of Inventive Problem Solving (TRIZ) and why innovation isn't something that happens in a special department, it happens 10 minutes at a time, every day, at your desk. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Framing High-Stakes Agile 1:08 Why "No Agile" Is Riskier 2:59 Agile Done Well Beats Predictive Plans 4:19 Retrospectives As Risk Controls 6:10 Learning With Outcomes, Not Outputs 8:20 Engagement vs Apathy In Change 10:55 Predictability, Dates, And Scope 13:29 The 6 P.M. Dinner Metaphor 16:44 Innovation With Structure, Not Chaos 19:06 Goals Over Features 21:02 Connecting Quarterly Goals To Work 23:05 Everyday Innovation Habits 26:12 Final Takeaways And Close WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: ✅ Why "nobody cares" is the hardest transformation problem to solve ✅ The reversed iron triangle: how to hit dates by flexing scope intelligently ✅ Goals vs. features: reframing leadership conversations to what actually matters ✅ Theory of Inventive Problem Solving (TRIZ): structured approaches to innovation ✅ Why agile turns into anarchy and how to prevent it ✅ How to make innovation predictable in everyday work THIS WEEK'S TAKEAWAYS: ✅Language and framing matter more than we think. Finding the right words and the right way to present ideas can genuinely shift how change happens. ✅ The Theory of Inventive Problem Solving deserves a deeper look. Innovation isn't the big thing in the cool kids area; it's what happens every day at your desk. ✅ The dinner party analogy is going straight into my next executive presentation. When sales want locked dates and a fixed scope, this shows why that's wishful thinking. ABOUT IVAN GEKHT: Ivan Gekht is CEO of Gehtsoft, a software delivery partner specializing in high-stakes, regulated environments. With a background in aerospace engineering and years of building trading platforms adjacent to major U.S. exchanges, Ivan brings a systems-first mindset to software delivery. He's also co-founder and editor of The Agile Bulletin. 🔗 Connect with Ivan: LinkedIn: / ivan-gekht ABOUT DEFINITELY MAYBE AGILE: Definitely Maybe Agile is a weekly podcast exploring Agile, DevOps, and organizational change through a pragmatic, people-centered lens. Hosted by Dave Sharrock and Peter Maddison, the show cuts through buzzwords to offer real-world insights for leaders navigating complex transformations. 🎙️ New episodes every week 📧 feedback@definitelymaybeagile.com 🌐 https://www.definitelymaybeagile.com #Agile #DevOps #SoftwareDelivery #AgileTransformation #ProductManagement #Innovation #TRIZ #EnterpriseAgile #techleadership We love to hear feedback! If you have questions, would like to propose a topic, or even join us for a conversation, contact us at feedback@definitelymaybeagile.com