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Cyb3rSyn Labs Podcast - Episode 36 Cyb3rSyn Labs Podcast explores multidisciplinary insights that help improve the effectiveness of Tech. Practitioners, Executives and Entrepreneurs. This episode features Dr. Michael C. Jackson, discussing his professional journey and the evolution of Systems Thinking. Mike is Emeritus Professor at the University of Hull and the author of several books including the recently published Critical Systems Thinking: A Practitioner's Guide - he is nothing short of a rock star in the world of Systems Thinking. Mike reflects on his personal connections with legendary figures like Russell Ackoff, Peter Checkland and others, illustrating how their mentorship shaped his worldview. He explains that his motivation for writing stems from a desire to reunify a fractured discipline, moving beyond warring factions of cyberneticians and systems engineers toward a pluralistic approach. The conversation explores the history of systems thinking, acknowledging past failures in social engineering while highlighting its modern relevance in navigating complex organizational challenges. Mike also emphasizes the necessity of linking theory and practice through action research to prevent systems ideas from becoming superficial management fads. He also makes the case that a systems perspective is essential to ensure technology serves as a humanistic friend rather than a mechanistic tool of oppression. Chapters: 00:00 Highlight Reel 01:51 Podcast Welcome And Guest Intro 03:25 Michael Jackson Origin Story 05:41 Legends And Anecdotes 08:54 Why He Wrote Books 12:39 Books That Shaped Him 21:10 Beer And Management Cybernetics 22:33 ST: History & Future 25:04 Holism in Western Thought 25:55 From Spinoza to Marx 28:18 Cybernetics and Pragmatism 29:32 Why Systems Thinking Got a Bad Rap 30:54 A Broader Lens on Reality 33:40 Education Against Consultant Fads 37:09 Action Research in Practice 39:43 Insiders Spreading the Word 41:35 AI as Friend Not Master 44:41 Reclaiming Human Potential Connect with me on 👇🏾: LinkedIn: / laraghavan BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/laraghavan.b... X/Twitter: https://x.com/laraghavan #leadership #systemsthinking