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Episode 9 - Real Talk With Dan shaw In this deeply insightful episode, Dan sits down with Dr. Pam Rue P.h.D— author, Family Constellations facilitator, Enneagram specialist, and transpersonal psychology practitioner — to explore the powerful intersection of ancestral healing, spirituality, and self-awareness. Together, they unpack themes like: 🌿 What is Family Constellations and how does it work? 💔 How generational trauma can silently shape our lives 🔢 Understanding the Enneagram as a map for personal growth 🧬 Exploring the morphogenetic field and inherited emotional patterns 🕊 Navigating Christianity and ancestral work — is it spiritually safe? 💡 How healing happens when we reconnect with love, order, and truth Dan opens up about his own spiritual path — from psilocybin journeys to being born again in Christ — and challenges often-overlooked questions around religion, discernment, and deeper knowing. This is an expansive, heart-led conversation filled with aha moments, paradigm shifts, and the invitation to see healing through a new lens. Follow Dan: Socials: @realtalkwithdanshaw & @therealdanshaw Follow Pam Roux: Buy Her Book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0768MN6NX Email: [email protected] Check out the topics of conversation here: 00:00 - Intro & Welcome to Real Talk with Dan Shaw 01:10 - Who is Pam Rue? Author, Family Constellations Practitioner & Enneagram Specialist 02:55 - What is Family Constellations? 05:20 - Bert Hellinger’s journey: Zulus, Catholicism & the Orders of Love 09:15 - Working with the morphogenetic field 11:40 - Are we contacting spirits? Christian concerns explained 15:22 - The difference between symbolic healing & spiritual communication 18:00 - How trauma is passed through generations 20:45 - Introduction to the Enneagram 23:30 - What transpersonal psychology is (and how Pam got into it) 26:00 - The Enneagram as a tool for deep self-awareness 28:12 - Cardinal sins & the 9 Enneagram types explained 32:40 - Healing through self-compassion and recognition 35:10 - Is the Enneagram spiritual or psychological? 37:20 - Christianity, ancestor work & Family Constellations: Bridging the divide 41:00 - Pam’s take on who God is (Love, not dogma) 43:50 - Constellation demo example: Sister, boyfriend & family dynamic 47:15 - How healing happens through representation 49:35 - Real stories of sudden transformation after constellations 52:10 - The Bible, the field, and universal truth 54:00 - The Enneagram as a map for healing and growth 56:45 - Christianity, sin, and discerning spiritual practices 01:00:00 - How Pam got into psychology and her healing journey 01:04:25 - Integration, plant medicine, and spiritual sensitivity 01:07:10 - Letting go of control and trusting divine will 01:09:50 - Judgment vs. discernment in Christian practice 01:13:00 - Bridging spirituality and religion with compassion 01:15:20 - Final reflections: Connection, love, and healing as the core 01:17:00 - Advice from a life well-lived: “You are life” 01:19:20 - Gratitude & closing words