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What can nonprofit finance teach CFOs about decision-making? In this episode of The Growth-Minded CFO, Alex Louisy and Lauren Pearl speak with Darien Wright, CFO and COO of the National Geographic Society. After a 30-year career spanning public accounting, consulting, telecommunications, hospitality, and private equity - including roles at PwC, Accenture, Sprint, Marriott, and Brookfield - Darien made an unexpected move into the nonprofit sector. What he found there reshaped how he thinks about finance leadership. In this conversation, Darien explains how nonprofit operating models force finance leaders to make decisions with less certainty, longer revenue cycles, and greater ambiguity. With contributions replacing traditional revenue streams and impact replacing traditional ROI, the role demands discipline, judgment, and a deep understanding of mission. Darien also shares how combining the CFO and COO roles requires enterprise-level thinking, operational alignment, and constant prioritization of liquidity, impact, and mission. Chapters: 01:11 Meet Darien Wright 01:54 National Geographic Mission 03:20 Career Before Nonprofit 04:26 Why Choose Nonprofit 05:53 Donor Revenue Reality 06:56 Mission First Finance 07:53 Impact And Liquidity 10:00 Forecasting Fundraising 12:08 Transferable CFO Skills 13:53 Empathy As Leadership 15:24 CFO And COO Role 17:55 Balancing CFO and COO 18:53 Mission First Investments 20:04 Nonprofit Efficiency Metrics 22:34 Board Governance Cadence 23:23 Sponsor Break 25:08 Building the New Museum 28:07 Life Beyond the Mission 29:45 Advice for Aspiring CFOs In this episode, Darien covers: • Why nonprofit finance requires strong liquidity discipline • How slower revenue cycles change forecasting and planning • The challenge of making decisions with imperfect information • How mission-driven organizations evaluate investment impact • The advantages of combining CFO and COO responsibilities • Why empathy and enterprise thinking are essential leadership skills. As Darien explains: “You have to make decisions along the way with imperfect information.” This is a thoughtful conversation about finance leadership in environments where certainty is limited, impact matters deeply, and judgment becomes the CFO’s most valuable skill. 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/47WX... 🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... 📺 Watch more episodes: • Introduction to The Growth-Minded CFO Podcast If you're a CFO, finance leader, or aspiring executive, this episode offers valuable insight into how leadership, capital discipline, and mission-driven thinking intersect. Mentioned in this episode: our episode with Erik Nakamura, where he discusses the importance of EQ for any great CFO • From Spreadsheets to Storytelling: Communi... Subscribe for more conversations with growth-minded finance leaders shaping the future of the CFO role. The Growth-Minded CFO podcast challenges the status quo and explores how the best CFOs approach their work and lives. Hosts Lauren Pearl (Fractional CFO, 3-time Founder, and Startup Finance Instructor at NYU) and Alex Louisy (Fintech CEO and Y Combinator graduate) speak with inspiring finance and business leaders about what it takes to support high-performing organizations. This podcast is powered by Upflow - a Financial Relationship Management platform enabling faster payments, stronger customer relationships, and efficient growth for your business. Join thousands of next-level finance leaders and go from chasing invoices to engaging customers. Find out more at upflow.io. Want to get in touch? Reach out to our producer at joseph.sweeney@upflow.io Want to recommend a guest? Apply via our form: https://insights.upflow.io/apply-to-b... ...