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Antonio Osuna-Mascaró is a researcher at the University of Veterinary Medicine Vienna who studies how animals think and solve problems. He has worked closely with Goffin’s cockatoo, studying how they make and use tools to solve specific tasks, as well as their social intelligence and cognitive abilities. He also documented what may be the first recorded case of a cow using a tool, raising new questions about animal intelligence. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Veronica's groundbreaking tool use discovery 00:31 - Antonio's insights on bovine cognition and surprise at cow intelligence 01:37 - The evolutionary history of cows and ancient tool use potential 02:23 - Veronica's lifelong learning and environmental enrichment 04:04 - How domestication and lineage influence cognitive abilities 05:15 - The question of whether cows learn by conditioning or discovery 06:55 - The concept of egocentric and allocentric tool use in animals 09:15 - Examples of complex tool use in other animals including dolphins and birds 11:20 - The significance of social learning and individual innovation in animals 13:29 - The role of instinct versus learned behavior in tool use 16:25 - Comparing animal tool use with insects like digger wasps and bees 17:33 - Underestimating animal intelligence and the need for exposure 18:59 - The expanding recognition of cognitive skills in diverse species 22:21 - Variability in intelligence within and across species 26:04 - The importance of individual differences in problem-solving skills 28:16 - How social rank and happiness influence innovation in animals 34:24 - Applying principles from human social psychology to animals 37:34 - Animal interactions with other species: cockatoos, crows, and more 39:09 - Exploring the potential of using animals like dogs, dolphins, and even rats for human benefit 44:06 - The future of animal cognition research and ethical considerations