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In this episode of the WIUI Podcast, we sit down with Dino Patti Djalal to unpack Indonesia’s place in a rapidly changing world order. Dino Patti Djalal is one of Indonesia’s most influential diplomats — former Indonesian Ambassador to the United States, former Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Founder of the Foreign Policy Community of Indonesia (FPCI). We discuss Trump’s “Board of Peace” and Indonesia’s decision to join it, Indonesia’s diplomatic legacy from Bandung to ASEAN, and what “free and active” foreign policy really means in today’s multipolar world. And of course Pak Dino’s widely discussed public criticism of Foreign Minister Sugiono — including why he chose to speak out, and what risks he sees for Indonesia’s diplomatic future. ------------------ What is up, Indonesia? (WIUI) is an independent media that curates Indonesian socio-politics in an accessible manner for internationally-raised Indonesian youths. This podcast is hosted by Andovi da Lopez & Abigail Limuria Instagram: / whatisupindonesia Twitter: / wiuindonesia Tiktok: / whatisupindonesia Website: https://whatisupindonesia.com/ JOIN OUR WIUI COMMUNITY Discord: / discord Connect with Andovi da Lopez Instagram: / andovidalopez Twitter: https://x.com/AndovidaLopez Tiktok: / andovishow Connect with Abigail Limuria Instagram: / abigailimuria Twitter: https://x.com/abigailimuriaa Tiktok: / abigailimuria