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In this episode of Spire Connect, we sit down with Amr Ismail, Regional VP – Middle East, Turkey & North Africa at SailPoint, to unpack what next-generation identity security really means in today’s AI-driven world. From Zero Trust and workforce identity management to agentic AI risks, SaaS vs on-prem identity, and data access governance, Amir shares real-world insights from the enterprise frontlines. We also discuss how identity is evolving from a security control to a business enabler, and why securing users, data, and even AI itself has become critical for modern organizations. This conversation covers: • What next-generation identity really looks like • Zero Trust and identity-led security • Managing workforce, partners, and non-employee access • AI, deepfakes, and identity risks • SaaS vs on-prem identity platforms • Cloud, data residency, and the Middle East focus A must-watch for CIOs, CISOs, security leaders, and technology decision-makers navigating identity in the age of AI. Timestamps - 00:00 – Intro 02:04 – The 3 identity swim lanes explained (CIAM, PAM, Workforce) 03:06 – Rise of Zero Trust & vendor consolidation 03:38 – Why SailPoint built a unified identity platform 04:22 – Atlas: SailPoint’s SaaS vision explained 05:27 – Identity as a business enabler, not a blocker 05:48 – Evolution beyond provisioning & deprovisioning 06:17 – Why “Leavers” are the biggest security risk 06:54 – Certifications, re-certifications & compliance 07:59 – Separation of duties & regulatory requirements 08:20 – Non-employee risk: contractors, vendors & partners 09:32 – Structured vs unstructured data security 09:55 – Managing data access in hybrid & multi-cloud 10:25 – Just-In-Time (JIT) access explained 11:16 – Identity governance across cloud & on-prem 11:55 – SaaS vs On-Prem: what should enterprises choose? 12:36 – Agentic AI & AI-powered identity workflows 13:26 – From months to days: faster integrations with AI 13:45 – Myth vs Fact: Is SailPoint complex to deploy? 15:16 – Why SaaS changes the identity implementation game 15:51 – 18 months vs 3 months: real deployment timelines 16:39 – Partner concerns around SaaS adoption 17:38 – Why identity is a continuous journey 18:48 – SailPoint’s local cloud & data residency in UAE 19:55 – Industry-focused identity security (Healthcare & more) 21:05 – Why CIOs must prioritize identity security today 21:42 – Identity behind ransomware & phishing attacks 22:07 – Securing identities in an AI-driven threat landscape 22:32 – How agentic AI can be exploited 23:05 – Role-based access control for AI itself 23:30 – SailPoint’s AI security R&D roadmap 23:51 – Experience of Spire Connect & real-world conversations 24:41 – Closing thoughts & key takeaways