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Check out Sublime at https://sublime.app/?ref=perell David Grann: one of the best storytellers alive today and an absolute master at narrative nonfiction. You might know him from "Killers of the Flower Moon", which Martin Scorsese turned into a film. And then there's "The Wager"; I can't think of a single book that more people I know have said that they just read the entire thing, from start to finish, in one sitting. So what is it that he does to find stories, to research them, to turn them into writing that just makes people flip from page to page? Lush, vivid prose, great descriptions. How does he do it? That's what this conversation's all about. 00:00:00 Intro 00:01:53 The discovery that changed his book 00:03:39 How to research like a detective 00:05:37 His secret to great writing 00:07:04 How to turn 200 pages of notes into one chapter 00:08:28 David's 3 steps to choosing what to write about 00:12:36 Finding the deeper meaning behind a story 00:17:06 Why you should visit the places you write about 00:28:44 How to write characters that feel real 00:31:10 Choosing the right details to bring scenes to life 00:42:08 David's technique to keep readers hooked 00:46:07 The formula for a strong prologue 00:54:27 How to edit your story without losing impact 01:04:53 What writers can learn from movies 01:09:44 How David learned to tell stories 01:17:08 Finding human stories in big events 01:20:16 How writing helps making sense of the world 01:21:06 Discovering the story’s deeper theme as you write Hey! I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible. Follow me Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSbo... X: https://x.com/david_perell