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In this provocative episode of TechTonic Conversations, Dalibor Petrovic sits down with David Shapiro — technologist, futurist, and leading voice in the Post-Labor Economy movement. Together, they unpack the societal and economic implications of rapid automation, artificial intelligence, and the dawn of fully autonomous systems. Is a world without human labor on the horizon? And what happens to our economy, our purpose, and our politics when machines can do it all? David outlines his six-part framework for understanding and navigating a world where AI displaces not just repetitive tasks, but human cognition and even empathy. 📌 Chapters 0:00 - Introduction to David Shapiro & the Post-Labor Thesis 4:48 - What is Post-Labor Economics? 9:32 - The 4 Human Productivity Levers (Strength, Dexterity, Cognition, Empathy) 14:15 - Creative Destruction & Economic Dislocation 20:30 - The Rise of Agentic AI & Autonomous Agents 26:10 - A History of Automation from Gutenberg to GPT 33:05 - Ethical & Societal Risks of Full Automation 38:40 - Navigating the Transition: Roles for Leaders, Citizens, and Policymakers 45:00 - Call to Action: What Should We Do Now? 🎯 Topics Discussed: AI Maximalism and Human Labor Displacement The Automation of Intelligence and Empathy Whether New Jobs Will Emerge Fast Enough The Frontier of Automation and Knowledge Work Practical Next Steps for Business Leaders and Policymakers 🔗 Subscribe to TechTonic Conversations for more insights: / @techtonicconversations 🎙️ Learn more about David Shapiro’s work: https://www.davidshapiro.substack.com